I have just recorded the first 1961 20SCS Hawstone on survivors list. (61/2503). Why would Greeves still be making a 9E (197cc) bike, as by 1961 250cc engines.(34A) were available?.
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A throw-back to Brian Stonebridge perhaps, and the first true all-conquering Hawkstone Special? The 9E Greeves was still popular with clubmen riders as a consequence, and an "Up to 200cc" Class was often catered for in Centre Scrambles even into the early 1960's. Riders with a 250 Greeves would also bring a 197cc companion bike for that Class. But 1961 was probably the beginning of the end for the 197cc Villiers Greeves .............. ?
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I never had 2 bikes, so I used to have 2 engines and swop accordingly. I did a Wednesday night scramble with the Acorns (probably 30 years ago) and did well against some bantam and hot Cubs. I then swopped to the 250 engine for the final all comers race (took about 45 mins) and was challenging for 3rd when it seized
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61/2503 Now on eBay with new owner in London https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREEVES-H...YAAOSwuihfx7wc
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Another 20SCS (61/2508) has turned up from USA but with 250cc engine, and now for sale with Classic Bike Imports https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225702874015 so looks like at last 8 were built.
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Interesting, I have no 1962 20SC surviving but have four 1962 20MDS as follows:20MDS102 1962 Canada Alberta ? 01/12/2013 ex Frank Conely 20MDS106 1962 USA Ohio Alan Trout 12/13 Ron Rault, Alberta, Canada. by 1/20 Alan Trout, Ohio, USA 20MDS110 1962 USA California Brack Zollo by 9/18 20MDS111 1962 USA unknown spotted by John Hart, Nevada 2/22 but he is not owner
A 20MDS is mentioned in the 24MDS brochure as being available with 200cc alloy barrel to special orderLast edited by John Wakefield; 02/08/2023, 03:13 PM.
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Yes, but of course the MD range is a completely different 'bike to the SC. There must have been sufficient interest in the 197 scramblers from '62-on for Greeves to have fitted the square barrels with 59mm bore liners.Surprising.
The 20MDS isn't shown in the listing in either the Carrick/Walker book, or Colins, showing there are gaps in those records, as your list of known 20MDS' proves.
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