TES Information

[IanCordes]

Hi John.

That is pretty comprehensive info! So they followed the 'old' style of numbering, despite having what we would now call a TE/S frame, with numbers commencing 24 TES ---.

I think I did say that 313 WPU was registered as a 350 on 24th April 1961, didn't I? How come a 350, though? Greeves at that point hadn't made a 350 based on the Villiers single engine, had they? Or was it a 252, just to get in a 350 competition class?

[John Wakefield]

Hi John.

That is pretty comprehensive info! So they followed the 'old' style of numbering, despite having what we would now call a TE/S frame, with numbers commencing 24 TES ---.

I think I did say that 313 WPU was registered as a 350 on 24th April 1961, didn't I? How come a 350, though? Greeves at that point hadn't made a 350 based on the Villiers single engine, had they? Or was it a 252, just to get in a 350 competition class?

The 350cc engine relates to after it was fitted with the B40 engine, not when originally registered by Greeves. Sorry yes you did state 313 WPU but I did not notice it first time as you were later referring to 311 WPU, (have now amended wording). Not sure about the frame number BNO/326 though that does not seem to be a Greeves number. Maybe got re stamped at some point.

[IanCordes]

Right John, I've got it now! It takes a while to sink in these days...

Funny it was able to retain the original reg. when the frame number was changed. I din't think that could happen now.

Cheers. Ian

[John Wakefield]

Right John, I've got it now! It takes a while to sink in these days...

Funny it was able to retain the original reg. when the frame number was changed. I din't think that could happen now.

Cheers. Ian

Yep not sure what happened there I seem to recall that the original beam may have broken & a replacement beam obtained, some licencing authorities (Kent for one) insisted that a new number was allocated so this may have been the case with 313 WPU. Next time I speak to Mike Jackson (not the MJ who worked & rode for Greeves) I will ask him.

[IanCordes]

Oh dear. So the original engine has gone, the original frame has gone, just the registration remains; it sounds a bit like grandfathers broom!

[John Wakefield]

313 WPU frame number

I have had the bike checked out on Carweb a HPI check web site, both the frame & engine number are recorded by DVLA as BNO/326. This looks a typo & in fact should read B40/326 which would be a BSA B40 engine AND frame number, BSA used same number on both frame & engine.
It had a 350 BSA B40 engine fitted by a previous owner circa 1968 so looks like somehow the BSA frame number has been transposed to the Greeves probably a mistake by a County Council clerk on old buff logbook prior to records going to DVLA who then issued a V5 showing wrong frame number. It will take a bit of persuasion to sort this out with DVLA. I am in contact with current owner & he is going to check the actual number which should be in the series 61/170? as 311 WPU (Bill Brookers bike) is 61/1707
There was a previous thread concerning 313 WPU http://www.greeves-riders.org.uk/for...hread.php?t=27 I have added this latest update to that thread also.

[John Wakefield]

313 wpu

Frame number on this thread http://www.greeves-riders.org.uk/for...ghlight=313WPU