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**Phil Hyde** · 15/12/2016, 11:31 AM

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Motor Cyclist Illustrated - one of the better magazines of the 60s and 70s. I think it went bust.

**John Wakefield** · 15/12/2016, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Phil Hyde View Post

Motor Cyclist Illustrated - one of the better magazines of the 60s and 70s. I think it went bust.

Looks like it was for a feature or road (trials) test in the magazine, a trawl through some copies of the period may reveal more about the bike. Not sure if Mortons would have copies in their archive. From a previous post the date of loan to MCI was 24.4.65, so one would need to be looking at magazines after that date. Around May/June 1965 possibly

**Colin Sparrow** · 15/12/2016, 12:23 PM

Humble Pie

Well done with your research. What an interesting history. Possibly the only 24TF ever?

Sorry about pouring on cold water at first. Never stop learning, do we?

**craig** · 15/12/2016, 01:20 PM

not at all I have found it interesting and all opinions welcome , I was very close to stamping a S but only if I had no joy with Essex , it looks like its a factory bitsa , I will keep looking and keep you all upto date , ps I have a Villiers carb and filter that fits now .

**Brian Thompson** · 15/12/2016, 01:35 PM

....and I didn't mention emu's or monkeys once Colin.....

Originally posted by John Wakefield View Post

Looks like it was for a feature or road (trials) test in the magazine, a trawl through some copies of the period may reveal more about the bike. Not sure if Mortons would have copies in their archive. From a previous post the date of loan to MCI was 24.4.65, so one would need to be looking at magazines after that date. Around May/June 1965 possibly

......wonder if it might be this article.....?

(See the one after Don Morley's, post #1, which is from Motor Cyclist Illustrated.....)

24TFS Trials Test Articles. - Greeves Riders Association Forums

http://greeves-riders.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4857&highlight=Motor+Cyclist+Illustrated+Article

Greeves trials models, e.g. Scottish, Scottish Twin, Anglian, Pathfinder, Wessex, Scottish Special, ISDT machines.

Brian (one of the 'humourists'....and very, very, very occasionally, provider of sometimes 'actually useful Greeves information'.....)

**trialrider17** · 15/12/2016, 01:49 PM

Could be the only 24TF Greeves and there is a 24TG Anglian as well Reg No OVW65D which I owned at one time ,it was remembered and worked on by the late great Chris Goodfellow when I spoke to him.It was a bike for Ally Cameron to ride in the 1966 Scottish and was fitted with a 150cc engine .There is a photo of the bike in Ralph Venables book British Trials Bikes men and there Machines .So thats two bikes with confusing frame numbers.
Craig it maybe worth sending a email to Don Morley he is the GRA Technical Specialist for TE , TES .TFS Anglian and if anyone has any photos of your bike Don will .His email is in the L/L
Simon

**John Wakefield** · 15/12/2016, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Brian Thompson View Post

......wonder if it might be this article.....?

(See the one after Don Morley's, post #1, which is from Motor Cyclist Illustrated.....)

24TFS Trials Test Articles. - Greeves Riders Association Forums

http://greeves-riders.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4857&highlight=Motor+Cyclist+Illustrated+Article

Greeves trials models, e.g. Scottish, Scottish Twin, Anglian, Pathfinder, Wessex, Scottish Special, ISDT machines.

Brian (one of the 'humourists'....and very, very, very occasionally, provider of sometimes 'actually useful Greeves information'.....)

Good try there Brian, but the one in question on here was registered LEV 112C.
Unfortunately the TFS in the MCI article (FWC 176B) is not on the DVLA records so its not possible to check frame number. Is it possible to put up a larger scan & what was the date of the mag?
There is a pic of FWC 176B in Don Morley's book Classic British 2 Stroke Trials Bikes on page 114.
Caption reads:
"Norman Sharpe then of Motorcycling magazine, unveiled the much improved TFS at the 1964 Press Trial. Note that this model's engine had been updated to a Villiers 37A fitted with Greeves own scrambles Challenger top end. The wheel hubs, amongst the many other Don Smith-inspired lightening mods, had their ribs machined off"

**craig** · 15/12/2016, 03:29 PM

had their ribs machined off .............. interesting there are no ribs on the front hub but they are still there on the rear , still on steel Dunlop rims

**craig** · 26/12/2016, 01:48 PM

ive got mr sparrows book and this bike looks to me like the one on page 134 , have you/anyone a pic of the other side of this machine ? the one colin posted earlier in this post is not the same bike/model ive just noticed whilst reading his book .

**Colin Sparrow** · 27/12/2016, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by craig View Post

ive got mr sparrows book and this bike looks to me like the one on page 134 , have you/anyone a pic of the other side of this machine ? the one colin posted earlier in this post is not the same bike/model ive just noticed whilst reading his book .

I'm uncertain as to why you think the photo I posted isn't a 24TFS. I have the actual factory photo in front of me and it is endorsed, on a typewritten label on the back: "Model 24 T.F.S."

Stop worrying. your bike is a is a 24TFS from 1965, and even better, potentially one with an interesting history.

**craig** · 27/12/2016, 03:57 PM

its not the opposite side to the machine in your book of that I am 100% , I am not worried just trying to get the facts/spec and history correct , thanks for your help

**Brian Thompson** · 27/12/2016, 04:39 PM

24TFS Factory Brochure and Factory Pic (showing the off-side of the bike.)

Craig,

Have a look at post #12 of this thread and closely compare the images I uploaded; http://greeves-riders.org.uk/forums/...1483#post21483

It looks to me to be fairly conclusive that the pic Colin posted (as re-attached below) is actually the very same one that was used for the factory 24TFS brochure, showing the off-side of the bike.

If I can find one showing the near-side I'll post it for you, unless somone else beats me to it.....?

However, bear in mind that these comments (and images) refer to the 'standard'/production 24TFS model. If your bike is/was a 'works' machine, it may well have been modified in certain ways......Also, although I'm positive that this doesn't apply to the 24TFS factory pic/brochure images mentoned here, I've heard that 'some' factory pics were of prototypes of certain models, and actual production machines could vary slightly in final spec, as could be expected for a small volume manufacturer like Greeves....

Anyway....hope it helps.

Brian.

Attached Files

**Brian Thompson** · 27/12/2016, 05:03 PM

24TFS Factory Parts List.

While I'm on, I thought I may as well post a link to a copy of the Factory Parts List for the 24TFS I scanned/uploaded on here as well.....see posts #2 and #3 of this thread; http://greeves-riders.org.uk/forums/...ead.php?t=4738

It will help sorting out parts numbers for any drawings you may need in order to fabricate missing parts should you need to (assuming they exist in the GRA Archive, and a lot do), as well as give you a better idea of 'factory' specs.

Original parts lists can be hard to find (for reasonable money) these days.....

Hope it proves useful to you.

Brian.

**craig** · 27/12/2016, 05:08 PM

it all helps and thankyou , the pic posted of the off side which I asked to see is not the same bike as pictured in the book (page 134) that's if you have the book , its a good read , I would like to see/find a off side pic of this machine which I also think is 1965 ? thanks

**Brian Thompson** · 27/12/2016, 05:11 PM

Which bike/pic?

To be clear Craig, is it the 'factory' bike you want to see a near-side pic of, or the one that's in Colin's book?

Brian.

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