Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Bonhams at Stafford

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Bonhams at Stafford

    Okay John, here's three to work your magic on
    Greeves' unorthodox trademarks of a cast beam 'downtube' and rubber-in-torsion leading-link fork proved adaptable to almost all forms of motorcycle from humble commuter to clubman's road-racer, but it was the firm's off-road products that really put it on the map. The off-road range was extensively revised for 1958, gaining new frames with increased ground clearance together with a narrower rear sub-frame and swinging arm. Villiers' 197cc 9E sports engine was used for both the Scottish trials and Hawkstone scrambler, suitably modified to suit the particular application. The name 'Scottish' had been adopted following Jack Simpson's victory in the Scottish Six Days Trial's 200cc category in 1957, the first year Greeves had fielded a factory team in this prestigious event. Acquired for the collection in 1990, this Scottish is offered with a V5C registration document.

    Greeves' unorthodox trademarks of a cast beam 'downtube' and rubber-in-torsion leading-link fork proved adaptable to almost all forms of motorcycle from humble commuter to clubman's road-racer, but it was the firm's off-road products which really put it on the map. The off-road range was extensively revised for 1958, gaining new frames with increased ground clearance together with a narrower rear subframe and swinging arm. Villiers' 197cc 9E sports engine was used for both the Scottish trials and Hawkstone scrambler, suitably modified to suit the particular application. The name 'Scottish' had been adopted following Jack Simpson's victory in the Scottish Six Days Trial's 200cc category in 1957, the first year Greeves had fielded a factory team in this prestigious event. There are no documents with this Scottish, which is offered for restoration.

    As an established engine builder, Greeves was able to survive while many rivals disappeared, along with the supply of Villiers engines, in the late 1960s. From then on the Southend-based company concentrated on its successful off-road competition models. The first all-Greeves model was the Challenger scrambler introduced in 1964. Built in 246cc and (later) 362cc capacities, the Challenger engine was carried in typically-Greeves cycle parts consisting of a cast alloy beam frame and leading-link forks, the latter of the 'banana' type from 1965. Offered for restoration, this Challenger has the optional Ceriani forks and would be ideal for classic 'twin-shock' competitions. The attached tax disc is for the registration 'VVD 1S' but this does not appear on the HPI database and may not pertain to this machine.

    Dogsbody

  • #2
    Bonhams

    Not much to say about these as Bonhams has given a good description on each. Not the smartest bikes around but very do-able projects, two 20TA's & an MX3, and reserves seem sensible for whats on offer. Registration numbers CYD 120A (frame No 8200/TA) The second one is CYD 152A (frame No 59/1147). Both 1963 re registrations
    Whats is more interesting to me are the old lorries & tractors in the background, looks like a scrapyard
    Last edited by John Wakefield; 22/11/2015, 09:32 PM.

    Comment


    • #3
      prices including commission,
      1958 20 TA £1035
      1959 20 TA £1150
      1966 MX3 Challenger £1092
      Dogsbody
      PS
      1926 Brough Superior SS100 project ie pile of bits £236,700 Lot 200
      1927 Brough Superior SS100 project ie pile of bits £259,100 Lot 201

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Dogsbody View Post
        prices including commission,
        1958 20 TA £1035
        1959 20 TA £1150
        1966 MX3 Challenger £1092
        Dogsbody
        PS
        1926 Brough Superior SS100 project ie pile of bits £236,700 Lot 200
        1927 Brough Superior SS100 project ie pile of bits £259,100 Lot 201
        As expected for the Greeves, but crazy prices for the Brough's,
        Last edited by John Wakefield; 18/10/2015, 10:47 PM.

        Comment


        • #5
          Bonhams

          Just got back from Staffordshire with one Greeves 20 TA.
          First registered-09-03-88, Reg' No CYD 152A,Frame No 59/1147, egine No 77OB6508.2 owners from new.
          Was part of the John Keeley collection, who had a lot of historic commercial vehicles in his collection and was a member of the Historic commercial Vehicle Society. Perhaps that clears up the background in the photo's to set Johns mind at rest.

          MikeV.

          PS. John, I will scan and upload the Bio' of him from the catalogue tomorrow.for you.
          Attached Files

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by MikeV View Post
            Just got back from Staffordshire with one Greeves 20 TA.
            First registered-09-03-88, Reg' No CYD 152A,Frame No 59/1147, engine No 77OB6508.2 owners from new.
            Was part of the John Keeley collection, who had a lot of historic commercial vehicles in his collection and was a member of the Historic commercial Vehicle Society. Perhaps that clears up the background in the photo's to set Johns mind at rest.

            MikeV.

            PS. John, I will scan and upload the Bio' of him from the catalogue tomorrow.for you.
            Well done Mike, looks a fair price. Looks like the original number has been 'robbed' but if you know what it was its worth checking with DVLA to see if it could be available. 'A' suffix is a 1963 mark so wrong for a 1959. Otherwise DVLA will issue a more appropriate number.

            Comment


            • #7
              Just for John

              Hi John,
              Scans as taken from the catalogue. Last 2 are from the rear inside cover and should be viewed as one.
              Yes, I will check with DVLA about Reg' number

              MikeV.
              Attached Files
              Last edited by MikeV; 19/10/2015, 12:28 PM.

              Comment


              • #8
                Well done mike

                Looks a good buy, did you buy one or both broughs?

                Are you going to restore her or just recommision?

                Regards

                Scott

                Comment


                • #9
                  Just remembering the time a lady friend borrowed her Dad's Brough to go Trail Riding on the Berkshire Downs once.....We were able to repair a broken footrest!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I used to have a Brough Superior, a 1935 Straight Eight DHC. Sadly sold. Dogsbody

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Scott.
                      Had second thougts about the Brough's so settled for the Greeves. Much more of an interesting project , at least I know where most of the bits go.
                      Hope to do what I did with the Pathfinder, get it to factory finish, then see were we go from there.

                      MikeV

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        The MX3 Challenger (24MX3A1272) is featured in Mike Worthy-Williams Unearthed page in Dec. OBM. Wrongly stated as a 1979 model due to the tax disc that was attached to the bike showing the reg. No VDS 1S. Bike was apparently bought by a Richard Gaunt who wrote into Mike to inquire about the bike. He should have contacted the GRA

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Richard Gaunt is the proprietor of DR Classics in Burton-on-Trent.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by IanCordes View Post
                            Richard Gaunt is the proprietor of DR Classics in Burton-on-Trent.
                            Thanks for the heads up on RG Ian, The Greeves is not as yet on his stock list, http://www.classic-motorcycles.net/D..._FOR_SALE.html probably trying to get the V5c from Swansea so he can transfer that valuable number VDS1S

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Yes John, I noticed he hasn't listed it on his stock yet. It isn't his sort of bike, so I am sure you are right that he took a punt on reclaiming the number so he could sell it on, knowing that he can't lose, as the bike is worth more than he paid, even without the number. Fair enough in this particular instance, as that number would appear to have no significance for that bike.
                              Last edited by IanCordes; 04/12/2015, 10:03 PM.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X