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  • #16
    Looking at the document again motorcycles are clearly mentioned, it looks like the Goverment have decided to include motorcycles. No doubt all will become clearer nearer the date.

    23.We have assessed these issues with DVLA and the Driver Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA). We have produced a modified definition of ‘Substantial Change’ basedon DVLA’s rule and propose to include it in guidance which will be finalised
    before the regulations come into force. A copy of this in draft is annexed to the
    response. We will discuss the definition with stakeholders before the guidance is
    issued and ensure that the guidance is the subject of regular review. It is recognised that guidance may need to vary slightly in the case of motorcycles as some of the common features for cars are not present on bikes. Accordingly a slightly different definition of “substantial change” will be used for motorcycles. This will also be published.

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    • #17
      Confirmation from DoT, bikes ARE included as from 22 MAY 2018
      This email from David Pope

      Dear Mr Wakefield
      The short answer is yes, this does apply to motorcycles.
      Yours sincerely
      David Pope
      Department for Transport

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      • #18
        Originally posted by John Wakefield View Post
        Confirmation from DoT, bikes ARE included as from 22 MAY 2018
        This email from David Pope

        Dear Mr Wakefield
        The short answer is yes, this does apply to motorcycles.
        Yours sincerely
        David Pope
        Department for Transport
        Yippee! (mind you they never got back to me from the DOT - you must have friends in high places John)

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        • #19
          Substantial Change - Axles and Running Gear

          After reading the the article about the new MOT rules in Leading Link 199, I was wondering if a change from leading link forks to telescopic forks counts as a substantial change of the technical characteristics of one of the main components?

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          • #20
            No guidelines yet on "substantial change" parameters for motorcycles so far as I can tell. Hopefully something will be published in the next month...
            Colin Sparrow

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            • #21
              I think we can expect some tightening of the rules by DVSA. One reason being to stem the trend towards rat bikes, choppers, and bobbers where certain owners (and dealers) have been building these bikes using only that part of an original frame with the frame number on it, along with modern components and still registering it under its original number as an 'Historic Vehicle'
              Remember some of those creations by 'Odgie' in Real Classics http://www.odgie.com/galleries/
              Also in the car and commercial world the practice of fitting an old chassis with modern running gear (and in some cases a complete new chassis) is rife in the hot rod world. One blatant example is a 1950 Bedford OB coach that had been rebuilt with a modern Iveco chassis & turbo diesel engine and capable of 90 mph
              See this link https://www.flickr.com/photos/106311...otolist-oxGEMm

              Back to Ian's question, changing the forks would be a major modification to 'chassis' and as such I would expect that it would not be allowed unless the owner could prove that the forks were from the same era as the bike and could have been a modification done 'back in the day'
              Last edited by John Wakefield; 19/04/2018, 10:09 AM.

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              • #22
                It might help to research the optional equipment side of things. I can remember seeing several Challengers that were equipped with Ceriani (or similar) forks before Greeves eventually put them on the option list for general sale.

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                • #23
                  Good points. Is there any evidence that TFS's were fitted with telescopic forks when they were in production?

                  The forks in question are 'modern' REH forks with Ceriani yokes.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Brian Catt View Post
                    It might help to research the optional equipment side of things. I can remember seeing several Challengers that were equipped with Ceriani (or similar) forks before Greeves eventually put them on the option list for general sale.
                    The ruling only applies to road going bikes so scramblers are not a concern unless you want to road register one.

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                    • #25
                      As in an ISDT replica????? I have historical pics of Challengers with all 3 styles of front forks should anyone need such!

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                      • #26
                        Does anyone have any photos of TFS's being used with telescopic forks around 1965?

                        Thanks.

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                        • #27
                          I am sure a pair of leading link forks could be borrowed and fitted for registration purposes....

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                          • #28
                            40 year exemption, maybe.

                            Did some digging on the DVSA website and extracted the text below:-

                            As with most output from Swansea it is a bit antagonistic, and therefore open to interpretation. I received a request for help so this helps, a bit, possibly.

                            Feedback open.........

                            Interesting that those with Anglians could potentially come unstuck as Richard Deal still makes Anglians.........



                            Keepers of VHIs exempt from periodic testing continue to be responsible for their vehicle’s roadworthiness. Keepers of vehicles over 40 years old can voluntarily submit vehicles for testing.
                            Keepers of VHIs claiming an exemption from the MoT test should make a declaration when renewing their vehicle tax. The responsibility to ensure the declared vehicle is a VHI and meets the criteria, rests with the vehicle keeper as part of their due diligence. If a vehicle keeper is not sure of the status of a vehicle, they can consult a marque or historic vehicles expert, a list of whom will be available on the website of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs.


                            If a vehicle keeper cannot determine that the vehicle has not been substantially changed, they should not claim an exemption from the MoT test.
                            If the type of vehicle is still in production, it is not exempt from periodic testing.
                            2 Further arrangements for motorcycles may be introduced, including if core testing standards are considered further internationally



                            In addition if a vehicle (including a motorcycle):
                            • has been issued with a registration number with a ‘Q’ prefix; or
                            • is a kit car assembled from components from different makes and model of vehicle; or
                            • is a reconstructed classic vehicle as defined by DVLA guidance; or
                            • is a kit conversion, where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle, or old parts are added to a kit of a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell changing the general appearance of the vehicle;

                            it will be considered to have been substantially changed and will not be exempt from MOT testing.
                            However if any of the four above types of vehicle is taxed as an “historic vehicle” and has not been modified during the previous 30 years, it can be considered as a VHI.
                            This guidance is only intended to determine the testing position of a substantially changed vehicle, not its registration.
                            Last edited by Phil Hyde; 20/04/2018, 09:33 PM. Reason: more content

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                            • #29
                              The problem we have is that there is, as yet, no definition of "substantial change" as it relates to motorcycles, so no way of knowing if forks will be included.

                              Incidentally, no TFS was ever used with teles in 1965. The factory did fit prototype bananas for a few trials in 1965, including the Scottish Six Days, so there is a historic precedent for that.

                              Seems to me pretty unlikely that DVLA will have the time or resources to validate owners' exemption declarations anyway - but of course it is down to all of us not to bend the rules - once we know what the rules are!
                              Colin Sparrow

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                              • #30
                                Regarding the modern Pre-65 Scottish Trial, it seems bananas are not allowed on Greeves bikes, but teles are..... Not sure of the logic there!

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